Fanaticism

Dec. 7th, 2005 11:37 am
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I read a story once where someone invented a "fanatic detector" - a machine that could identify the brainwaves of fanatics who thought their cause was more important than any individual human life. In the story, the machine was intended as a foreign terrorist detector, but it turned out that there were plenty of dangerous fanatics right here at home.

I don't like where this country's going, in a lot of ways. It feels to me like every attempt at tolerance, every attempt at living and working together, is shot down by extremists who are so blinded by their own belief that theirs is the one true way that any other approach to life is nothing short of blasphemy. I include both liberals and conservatives in this - I don't know if there is a moderate "middle" anymore, but if there is, I'm not seeing it in public life.

And then I saw this:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/06/AR2005120601900.html
and nearly lost it. I'm so goddamn tired of people wasting everyone's time with shit like this. The man literally sends out over a MILLION cards every year, to Muslims, Hindus, Christians, Jews, Wiccans, Atheists, and probably Zoroastrians, for pete's sake. ALL of these groups have a major holiday in November or December. If he sends you a card that says "Happy Holidays", Mr. Christian Extremist, it means he's wishing YOU a Merry Christmas, and ME a Happy Yule, and whatever holiday it is that is important to each recipient. How would you feel if you got a card that did mention one holiday specifically, huh? How about one that said "Happy Diwali"? Or "Blessed Ramadan"? Would that make you feel better?

I want to discover another planet. I want to put all the terrorists on that planet (muslim, christian, eco, or what have you). Anyone who thinks that their cause is more important than someone else's life goes on that planet. There they can fight to their heart's content, and be righteous and prideful and die knowing that they died for their cause. And Earth will be left to the people who think living together is better than dying by degrees.

Date: 2005-12-07 06:21 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] melebeth
AAAAAAAAAGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH

Although I must put below the quote which make it impossible for me to ever take another chritian conservative group seriously (not that I did before, but...)

Religious conservatives are miffed because they have been pressuring stores to advertise Christmas sales rather than "holiday specials"

Date: 2005-12-07 07:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] b00jum.livejournal.com

I dunno, *this* quote made me more scared than arguing holiday terminology.

"I think it's more important to put Christ back into our war planning than into our Christmas cards," said the council's (National Council of Churches) general secretary, the Rev. Bob Edgar, a former Democratic congressman.

Yup - cause Christ was all about the war and violence..

Date: 2005-12-07 08:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] corwyn-ap.livejournal.com
I suspect (or hope) he meant, Put Christ in to avoid killing and violence.

Date: 2005-12-07 11:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rickthefightguy.livejournal.com
Yeah, you want a good God for your war, you really should be looking to the old testament god from 'Raiders of the Lost Ark' - now he could mow down some enemies!

Date: 2005-12-07 08:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tamarinne.livejournal.com
I've had a "Red Meat" strip on my billboard forever.

Priest: "O Heavenly Father, in the name of your son, help us to defeat our enemies both foreign and domestic, and lead this great Christian nation to resounding victory."

God: "Interesting request. But as you know, my boy is very serious rabbi, peace activist, and a fairly radical, liberal, humanitarian reformer. He doesn't really swing that way. But hey - I'm taking up your valuable time. Let me go ahead and transfer you over to the God of War's request line."

Date: 2005-12-07 07:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadeofnight.livejournal.com
PC is a two edged sword, but I have never seen it backfire in this way before. Kind of scary in it's own way, that it is ok to be PC for everything but Religion.

As far as I can tell, this is all about power. Modern religion, even if it does not start out this way, all corrupts into power and the ability to use it. The Cathlic Church is the biggest example of the power a single religion can build. Religon uses 3 major tools to do this job: fear, being elite, and hate. I am almost 95% sure that if you remove the power that religion generates, then most of the killing and hate generated by it will also go away as well.

It is my belief that the bibble belts way of life is being threatened by outside sources (IE TV, Large Chains, and the general population changes going on in the US), and this is just one more way for them to try to attack back to keep the way of life they want. It is still amazing to me to meet people that did not see let alone talk to anyone that was a different race, religion or social class until they went to college (and then they live in shock for a few years before adapting, if they ever do). They have a totally different view on the world and I think they are part of the root cause of this issue.

I have always said Humanities only chance to live more than another thousand years will be to reach the stars, and make it so that one crazy person with the right tech and money can not kill all life at once. The further out into the Galaxy the human race is, the greater chance it has to prosper.

Government run schools that are PC and the best in the world is the only way I know to combat the issues I see in this world today. Private schools that are controlled by religion are not the way to get a well rounded society. Also teaching a well rounded education does wonders for peoples ability to live in society better.

*eyes his long comment* *silly grin*... ok... in short I agree this is crazy *nods*.

spam, spam, spam, spam

Date: 2005-12-07 07:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] herooftheage.livejournal.com
I thought it was fear, surprise, and an almost fanatical devotion to the pope? I keep forgetting where the ruthless efficiency and red robes come in, but I'm sure that's part of it too.

Date: 2005-12-07 09:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] corwyn-ap.livejournal.com
I have never understood this whole issue. Why do people think they can structure the well wishes that others give them. Smacks of 'But I want a BLUE ferrari!" to me. When I give good wishes, it only makes sense that I would give them in the paradigm which makes sense to me. I don't know anything about the Bakriri day of the comet, so it would seem presumptious of me to go about wishing it on others. And you know, ANYONE can have a merry christmas. You don't have to doing anything or celebrating it in any way. It is like 'have a nice day' with a specific day in mind.

That said, the man should be able to send whatever he wants without flack. The office, of course, should not be sending religious well wishes.

Have a wonderful July 30th, everyone!

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